A few days ago I saw a poster that advertised a talk on the merits of creationism versus evolution. A gentleman called Philip Bell (BSc Zoology) is crossing Ireland and the UK on a one man mission to convert us all to a Young-Earth, biblical view of the Universe.
They are coming for us. Here in Ireland. Should we run for the hills?
I don’t think so. For me, the whole thing is rather laughable. Most kids are taught about evolution in school, and it’s rarely an issue for parents. Evolution here is taught as a scientific subject, not as a moral issue. Biblical Creationism, to-date, has only found purchase in small evangelical communities across the country.
I cannot imagine anyone in Ireland being interested in a talk like this unless, a) you happened to be convinced creationist already, b) you are sceptical of creationism and interested in challenging their claims, or c) you are there because someone else decided you needed to be there (journalists, kids, etc.). There may well be genuinely undecided, non-afilliated seekers around who are interested in human origins, but I suspect they are a small minority. In the main, it’s probably an exercise in preaching to the already converted.
And the subject: listening to someone waffle mendaciously about Darwin, Dawkins and CS Lewis while peddling Genesis? Eh, don’t I have to get my hair washed, or something? Anything?
Ireland is not America, where a significant minority of the population are born into a fundamentalist creationist tradition and where creationism has taken on political overtones. It’s difficult to see creationism gaining purchase any time, except amongst the tiny evangelical community.
This community, while growing, will need to compete for ideas like everyone else. It will continue to gain adult members for various reasons which have nothing to do with a dislike of Darwin’s great idea. More likely, converts will arise from pastoral and charitable work with the community, the numbers bolstered by convinced evangelicals arriving into Ireland from abroad. Maintaining these ideas among their children will be more difficult, as parents will need to be much more attentive than many of their American peers in controlling the information their kids are exposed to. It’s an uphill battle for them in the age of international travel and the Internet.
And here’s another question: how strong are creationist ideas even in America? We often here the statistic that nearly 50% of the US population are creationists, but how many of these people think much about origin stories in the same way they think about baseball, the Dow Jones and traffic on the Interstate-95? I suspect that, even in the US, the proselytisation of creationism is pursued only by a very small, determined, group of people, who get far more attention than they deserve, as the majority of people they try to convince probably don’t care very much.
Do a Google image search on “creationism”, and you will see something very interesting. Pages and pages of send ups and jokes about creationists. At least on the Internet, creationists are figures of ridicule. Ken Ham is treated with derision. While there are many motivated people in the ranks of global creationism, the opposing site is at least as vocal and focused. Creationism does not look like winning significant mindshare any time soon – even on their own home territory – without major changes in public education and an attenuation of the separation between church and state.
The way in which creationists around the globe believe they can achieve their aims is not through mass persuasion, but instead through more subtle strategies like influencing school boards, lobbying for changes in legislation and fooling unwary state authorities to adopt their viewpoints. This is the area where skeptics need to remain vigilant, and wise to the tactics being used by creationists.
I kind of half agree with you, but I do think playing down the threat to science which creationism is a risky way to go. I take the point that Ireland isn’t America, and we don’t have the same factors here which has made creationism such an issue over there. We don’t have local school boards which can be easily manipulated or the same culture of hardline evangelicals, but I would be wary of just saying “well this is something we don’t need to worry about”. It’s true that one lecture tour does not a religious society make, but at the same time I’d argue that it would have been nigh-impossible for this guy to even do such a tour in Ireland 10 or 20 years ago. Over the past few years there’s been a slowly-increasing number of evangelical Christians in Ireland, and they’re being supported by the people who have made that brand of Christianity such huge business in the US (Ken Ham visiting Belfast, for example), which puts them at a distinct advantage over other groups in the marketplace of ideas. I’m very curious to see how this is represented in the census when we get the detailed report on religion.
I also wouldn’t put too much faith in the Irish education system to put people right about origins. I’m not trying to bash our system, but evolution only gets so much time on the syllabus because there’s a lot to cover. If you’re bringing up kids in a religious group and spend hours and hours telling them about how evolution’s a lie, then a half hour lesson from their biology teacher won’t be enough to dislodge that idea from their brains.
I think you’re dead right with the last paragraph, we need be increasingly vigilant when it comes to creationist pressure on the government and in other places of authority or high profile, but I think that those efforts are fundamentally linked to mass persuasion, rather than being distinct and separate from it.
(And sorry for the wall of text :P)
Great points, Stephen. I more than half agree with your comments :).
You are right – It’s all about mass persuasion, but using methods that are indirect and targeted at decision makers, as opposed to directly lecturing the converted. The key breakthrough, for them, would be a change in laws that make their brand of nonsense more amenable to the outside world – thus their work with the National Trust on the Giant’s Causeway, etc.
Perhaps it’s a hypothetical question, but if they limit their activities to public lectures and street proselytisation, staying away from church / state issues, is this something that we as skeptics should be overly concerned with – at least in comparison to other issues? We tend to make a big deal out of creationism, but are we in danger of losing focus on the key issue, which is the degree of pressure they are putting on educationalists and their lobbying of government to promote their viewpoints? Similarly, are there other groups in Ireland that are better positioned to influence the educational system?
Well they are excellent questions, hypothetical or not. If creationists did just keep to their own flock and didn’t try to influence things like education or science policy, then I certainly wouldn’t have such a problem with them, and they could natter away in lecture theatres to their hearts’ content. You’re right, of course, we shouldn’t focus on the easy targets and let the quiet changes they’ll be pushing through the corridors of power go unchallenged, I’d just like to see it challenged wherever it rears its head. Then again, if I make a huge fuss every time some little creationist wanders into town I’m only going to give them more publicity, so it may well be counter-productive.
Ultimately I think you’re probably right, we’re not in the same danger as America, but I’m so wary of going down a slippery slope and giving any ground, because their tactics have generally been to nibble away and get a little recognition here, some subtle lobbying there, and then suddenly they’re in a position to do some damage. Then again, creationism is my personal bug bear, so I’m almost certainly over-reacting 🙂
I’m shocked to hear that nearly 50% of Americans are creationists. I don’t know any of them. (Or else they are very quiet.) More than 50% of the people I know don’t attend church of any sort. As far as I can tell, evolution is a solid theory in America. But I must not let down my antenna. Maybe attend some school board meetings.
Yes – not quite 50%, but nearly there., These are the quoted statistics. Of course, how many of these people are passionate about this is another question. http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/evolution-creationism-intelligent-design.aspx
peddling Genesis? Eh
Is that the PG or PC era. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway or Invisible Touch
*Slaps Phil with a wet fish* 🙂
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Good article Colm. Apparently a third of Irish hold creationist views, so I guess we can’t throw stones in glasshouses. I wrote an article on this on my Cork Independent blog (and my personal blog aidanodonoghue.com) not so long ago: http://corkindependent.com/blog/evolving-our-thinking/. I think in this instance Darwinists, i.e. the majority of humanity, have a critical number and increasingly creationists appear to be desperate in their arguments, preoccupied with picking holes in Darwinist theory rather than proving their own. Though it is easy to crticise Europe, and the European project, I think European enlightenment and reasoning is something we should be thankful for. Unfortunately much of America remains primitive in this sense, and the longer American politics centres around God and the idea that Americans are somehow products of God’s will, then they will continue their slide back into the mesolithic.
Hi Aidan,
Perhaps it’s a generational thing. The US is changing demographically, and as the older, baby-boomer order begins to decline, the voices become more strident and extreme. Creationism appears to be part of this. I’m not sure it will have anything like its current potency in 20 years. In the meantime, it could do a lot of damage. The issue, I think, is an education system that is extraordinarily poor by western standards. America fails a huge number of it citizens – and seems hellbent on continuing to maintain this inequality. It’s one thing we can be grateful about here in Europe.
Great blog entry by the way. I often find it difficult to see why evolution has been presented as a moral issue, when really it has little to say about morality. If anything, evolution has created the context within which we humans have empathy towards each other.